Talk:Luka Urushibara/@comment-76.218.36.245-20151203152512/@comment-27274518-20151203224927

I apologize for the novel I wrote. I couldn't help it. I am passionate about this issue. I'll try to keep my response shorter this time... With that being said, it looks like I can't convince you of anything...but that is fine. I guess I just want my point of view expressed and visible.

Describe how forcing comes into it. You are overlooking the fact that if Ruka didn't want to be a girl (not have gender identity issues), she would have stopped with the woman's clothing or found a way to do that (that would have been the issue, not the issue of birth sex). Gender identity (like orientation...and yes. This is scientifically proven...) is something assigned at birth and comes into play due to environmental factors. These could be the environmental factors that brought the question "Hey...I think I was supposed to be a girl all along". With her father "pushing" Ruka to be a shrine maiden and her sister being her opposite, it could be these that helped her come to the realization of the identity issues. Now that you tell me this, it makes even more sense to me that Ruka could be trans. That's the way I see it anyway.

I wasn't saying that you didn't agree with transgender vs. biological sex. I was just taking aim at your points because you were scratching it off because the author categorizes Ruka as male. That's all. I'm restating it to make my point.

I am not mixing intentions of the Rukas from different world lines. I am comparing and contrasting them to prove a point. I'm not sure what you are trying to say to argue my points with them. Ruka is Ruka regardless of gender. Her character remains intact. The author went to great lengths to prove that character's viewpoints, personalities, likes and dislikes, etc are maintained across world lines. In addition, Ruka's memories of her former self are consolidated into one after having a talk with Okabe. Yet what happens doesn't change. Furthermore, I never said the male Ruka had no intentions to change to a female in regards to her feelings about Okabe. Even if that was a strong reason for the D-mail, it looks like it could be a motivation to make the change to female rather than a means to an end. She still wants to be a girl and still feels like she should have been. Regardless of any motivators or intentions, wishing to be the opposite sex because you feel it would fit you better is transgender. You even said: "him unconfortable to have the apparence of a girl "Why i'm not a girl from the beginning?..." which is a sign of gender dysphoria. This is the point!

I never said you didn't take society into consideration, I am just using that to make my point, because that is a clear truth in the way Ruka is written. I also didn't say that you were using the "repressed homosexual boy" argument, but I tackled it because it seems to be a common, misguided argument in the comments below. I am not, nor do I have a desire, to attack you in anyway. Just have a friendly debate more or less.

With all this being said, yeah. Its speculation. Pure, hard speculation without written facts. But that is the joy & fun of it! Plus, you need to remember that all the "facts" aren't always explicitly stated, that there are hints of things and the viewer must read between the lines to obtain what the author's intent actually is. Its clear that the charcters of S;G are extremely complex and extremely real and this is a testament to that. There is more that what you can get on the surface. After saying that, I agree with you. Its important to keep speculation out of an article of this nature and focus ONLY on what is handed to us... But again, we are discussing the character and I don't see why its a bad thing to have this speculative disscusion in the comments section if its left out of the article itself.

And thanks for the clarification. Its nice to hear that you aren't against the LGBT community. I didn't exactly overinterpret your words as much as wanting a clarification on your feelings in regards to the community. It was more of your arguably hostile tone toward the idea that set me off rather than your analysis of the character. It just worried me is all... I just want to be clear on that as well.