Thread:Zeldakasumi/@comment-27001444-20151014050645/@comment-119.94.248.86-20160105144156

A. This Alpha Suzuha's Loop helped me understand a lot. Thank you. But I think this could also be the correct loop (sorry, this is just my opinion)..

Alpha Suzuha's Loop:

SUZUHA1 arrived with a time machine to 28-7-2010, upon arriving the TM busted the Radio Building where Nakabachi's presentation should be held, and preventing Kurisu's Death. -> Mayuri dies -> Okabe tried to save Mayuri using time leap many times but failed -> SUZUHA1 rides the time machine in 9-8-2010 to 1975 to finish her mission to secure an IBN 5100, hoping to save the future and save Mayuri as well -> The end result of her mission was a fail because she failed to change the future -> In 2011 somehow SERN managed to get Kurisu works for them -> SERN monopolizes TM in the future and rulled the world -> Daru cracked SERN for the Time Machine design and concept, and by that he build it, even though it is only capable to travel back in time -> in 2036 SUZUHA1 rides a time machine with a mission to 1975 to secure an IBN 5100, however she decided to make a stop at 2010 to see her father, (instead of landing cleanly) her Time Machine crashes at the Radio Building where Nakabichi's presentation should be held, and preventing Kurisu's Death--> Loop Continues

Notes:

1) I don't think Suzuha made a stop at year 2000 to make a fuss online in the Alpha world line because I remember that there was a time in the alpha world line when Okabe was looking for his books about Titor, but can't find them, he also saw in the internet that the posts of John Titor in 2000 that he remembered were gone, and what irritated him was there was someone pretending to be Titor at that time which was Suzuha1

2.1) I think the reason why her TM crashed at the Radio Building was because of the very first D mail of Okabe sent after seeing Kurisu's body in blood, which disrupts the landing of her Time Machine -> preventing Kurisu's Death->  thus Alpha world line (the abovementioned loop) is created.

2.2) If okabe did not send the D-mail after seeing Kurisu's body, they will stay in the Beta world line where SERN will not rule  in the future because they did not discover Okabe's lab in 2010-> However, Kurisu's papers still made its way to Russia so the future of this world line will be WW3.

B. My Conclusion: the SPECIAL EVENT (you called this turning point) that must happen until that day in 2010 is for Okabe to see Kurisu lying down on the floor bloody, so that he must choose if he will Send the D mail or Not. Which will determine if the world line will shift to Alpha or stay in Beta. This is probably why preventing kurisu's death by other means will always fail. But if Okabe fakes her death, She can be saved, because the SPECIAL EVENT will still happen........(probabe but I can't see why Kurisu kept on dying in the beta world line, this is the only conclusion I can think of)

In the same way, I also can't see why Mayuri keeps on dying in the Alpha world line no matter how he tries to save her using Time leap. Is the event of Kurisu dying important in the Alpha world line as well, like Kurisu's lying on the floor in Beta world line? and why are they that important? Perhaps that's the last thing I don't understand clearly now.