Talk:List of Known World Lines/@comment-88.246.207.183-20150714112303/@comment-26833849-20150730113431

I prefer to use the original VN to describe how time travel works in S;G rather than the movie to be honest, as that one changes some things up. The "dream" explanation doesn´t work for Faris´ and IIRC Lukako, as they remember everything. In Faris´ case it is even shown that she remembered instantaneously once given a push by Okabe. And in the end of the VN, Okabe himself that everyone possesses Reading Steiner to an extent, just that in some it is more powerful than in others. The reason Okabe´s is so powerful is likely because of the fever he had in the past, and it is speculated that that fever was the result of a time leap that didn´t work well and instead damaged little Okabe´s Body, while also raising his "skills" as an observer. Not to mention how it would be hilarious to say that Okabe has spcial powers, considering how S;G tries to be somewhat scientific throughout and a special power would be the same as spitting on that. Also, even if we are to assume that Reading Steiner is an Okabe-only power, that would still mean that Faris/Daru/Mayuri can remember the previous worldlines via those "dreams", and since Faris was shown to remember everything in chapter 7, it is undeniable that regardless of dream/Reading Steiner, both can be used to remember all previous worldlines, even if one method is slower than the other.

Isn´t Steins Gate inbetween the beta worldline, which spans from 1% to 2% ? It is simply a worldline that is independent from all attractor fields, nothing more. Or at least, that´s how I remember it. The past of it being known doesn´t help much to be frank, what is important is the future. And whereas in the Omega worldline we know that SERN is powerless and that Kurisu lives, which implies that neither from the two known dystopias should happen, in the Steins gate worldline SERN still plays an important role (Robotics Notes), which means that it is not necessarily a save future. Same goes for Omega naturally, but my point is, knowing the past doesn´t necessitate knowledge about the future. The difference between the two is that in Omega, time travel exists, which may or may not be an ominous implication, whereas in S;G it does not (let´s Forget about the movie for now)

The convergence point might be in 2000, but for all we know it doesn´t need to be Mayuri´s relationship with Okabe. It may be related to how Faris´ father is alive despite of him not selling the IBN. You cannot claim that the major point was their relationship without actually knowing what the D-Mail said and without actually seeing different worldlines in the attractor field. Mayuri´s relationship with Okabe would only be important to the AF, making it a convergence point, if it necessitated the creation of the lab, which it does not. Mainly because we don´t know whether her grandmother died in this AF or not. Since Okabe doesn´t know her in this worldline, and she seems to be her usual cheerful self, that implies that either her grandmother didn´t die or that someone else filled in Okabe´s role. If we assume the first one, it becomes possible for Okabe to know Mayuri without ever creating the lab, while at the same time keeping his relationship with Faris (which seems more important to me, going by how Rai Net replaces the lab in this AF, something that at the same time is the point that links him to Faris). Also, the relationship isn´t really shifted from Mayuri to Faris in the worldline we know, since Faris´ relationship with Okabe is more of a romantic one whereas Mayuri´s was a sisterly/brotherly one, just pointing that out. Again, we know only a few things about the Omega AF, which would be that Faris´ father is alive, time travel exists, the lab doesn´t, and Okabe is a Rai Net Player. These are what I consider the major points of the AF, the rest is up to speculation, including the nature of Okabe´s relationship with Daru/Mayuri/Lukako.