Talk:Kagari Shiina/@comment-202.62.18.70-20170303035521/@comment-7888499-20170304194812

@Luanmasterx, do you mean that Steins;Gate 0 is the only title from the whole franchise that you have ever watched/played/read? Or do you mean that you watched the anime version of the orginal and then played the Steins;Gate 0 VN? If you never have played the original work or watched its anime adaptation, then I highly recommend them and be forwarned that I am about to give spoilers for the orginal work and several other franchise titles here. -Funimation has the anime for free viewing here (might be region restricted).-

So, we know from various official guidebooks that, when her identity is not being usurped by Kagari, Yuki is her own person with her own birthday -and she is herself one of the helmeted women-. However, here are a few examples that I think substantiate that.

Spoilers for the Original Work, Rebellion of the Missing Ring, and the drama CD Arc Light of the Point of Infinity, and the movie Steins;Gate: Fuka Ryōiki no Déjà vu and its drama CD's:

Example 1: Alpha Attractor Field

In all of the Alpha AF, Mayuri dies in 2010. She is not around to adopt Kagari in the future, so the likelihood of Kagari being brought into close contact with the Valkyrie Resistance becomes very slim. If you take the part about how Suzuha gets to the time machine in Rebellion of the Missing Ring as cannon then it was an intense chase without little Kagari in tow.

And we know that in the Alpha AF, Suzuha -in a time machine that can travel only backwards in time, not forwards- flies directly from 2036 to 2010 and from there directly to 1975 where her journey ends. There is never a year in history where Suzuha makes a stop that would allow Kagari to really be the right age to be cosplaying at Comima in the winter of 2011 and meet Daru there in the Alpha AF -which we know is what happens from official timelines-. Unless, that is, Kagari gets born in different decades in different world lines, which is also an interesting possible theory, but the Steins;Gate universe has never explored that before, and I do not get the feeling we are being led to do so now.

Example 2: Beta Attractor Field and the Steins Gate world line. Sticking to the statement that Kagari will always have her birthyear in 2026, lets start with the Steins Gate world line. When they reach the Steins;Gate world line, world line convergence and the hard rule of causality causes Suzuha and her time machine to disappear. Why? In short, because in a world line where Kurisu does not die in 2010, there is no reason for Okabe and Daru to build a time machine for Suzuha to travel in to 2010. Even if Suzuha brought Kagari with her to 1998 of the Steins Gate world line, there is a great chance that Kagari would disappear from this point onwards too.

Now if you consider the movie and its companion drama CDs as "canon until proven otherwise", then Kagari never time travels with Suzuha. Kagari is only born years after Suzuha. Therefore, Kagari cannot be Suzuha's mother in the Steins Gate world lines depicted in the movie.

I am still playing the game, so I may change my opinion about this later, but so far I think that the drama CD Arc Light of the Point of Infinity has remained canon even in light of the events depicted in Steins;Gate 0. In which case, in the Beta AF proper, at least one world line does exist, in which Mayuri travels to the past in 2011 and is not around in 2026-2036 to adopt Kagari. I might change this opinion though, once I've play the second half of SG0.

Spoilers for Steins;Gate - Darling of Loving Vows and Steins;Gate: Linear Bounded Phenogram

Example 3: Delta Attractor Field The Delta Attractor Field is a mixed bag of happy and dark world lines. In many of them, Suzuha is much more of a carefree spirit who does not seem burdened at all by losing a young child while time traveling, and her for purpose for time travel is for other reasons than to save the future from grave disaster. There is even a world line where Suzuha does not seem to have time traveled at all, yet she most certainly still gets born right on time in 2017 as the ending CG of that chapter of Phenogram shows us.